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July 5th, 2004

Contextualism, Relativism and the (Near Term) Future of Philosophy

When I was in Britain both The Observer and Q Magazine put out lists of the greatest British albums. At least at the top, the Observer got it right (Stone Roses) and Q got it spectacularly wrong (Definitely Maybe). Both lists were pretty weak on non-English acts, and on recent acts, but there’s interesting stuff on both lists.

Now while there are some facts about greatness in these parts (as I mentioned, Stone Roses is simply better than Definitely Maybe) it’s arguable that in some cases there’s simply no fact of the matter. So consider the following rather lame little dialogue.

Alice: Astral Weeks is a better album than Sgt. Peppers.
Suzy: No, Sgt. Peppers is a better album than Astral Weeks.

There’s an intuitive sense in which although Alice and Suzy are disagreeing, neither is making a mistake. But can this intuition really be endorsed? After all, it is inconsistent to suppose both that Astral Weeks is better than Sgt. Peppers and that Sgt. Peppers is better than Astral Weeks, and if not both of these claims are true, then one or both of the disputants is making a mistake – i.e. the one promoting a claim that isn’t true.

Crispin Wright’s paper at St Andrews was on just this question, but without the poppish sensibilities of my presentation. After some mucking about with attempts to resolve the dilemma here using intuitionist logic, Crispin chucked that and decided we should settle it using evaluator-sensitive semantics. For some claims, he held, whether they are true depends on what the relevant context of evaluation is.

And for these claims, whether one is making a mistake in asserting them depends on what is true in the asserter’s context of evaluation. So as long as in Alice’s context Astral Weeks really is better, and in Suzy’s Sgt. Peppers really is better, neither need be making a mistake. But it is still the case that they are making inconsistent claims. For in Alice’s context, what Suzy says is false, and vice versa.

Now for those of you following events on this blog and related areas, this might seem like rather old news. John MacFarlane has been promoting this kind of evaluator-relativism for what seems like months now, and is even writing a book on the subject. Mark Richard has a paper on it in Philosophical Studies from back in June. And Andy Egan, John Hawthorne and I have a long paper coming out shortly in a volume on contextualism. This is starting to look like a bandwagon.

Actually I suspect these discussions of evaluator-sensitivity, or what is now often called relativism, will become philosophically central over the rest of the decade. For one thing anything that all the people mentioned above are working on is bound to be the focus of some attention. For another, I can always keep babbling on about it here until it either is (a) widely discussed or (b) this blog loses all its readers. I note in passing that there are no papers written yet on why this is all a bad idea, so if any aspiring young philosopher wants a fresh shot at a field presumably full of first-pass errors waiting to be exposed, here’s your chance.

But you might think that disputes about the semantics for greatest album claims is unlikely to catch fire, philosophically speaking. If that was all there was to it, I suspect you’d be right. But what makes this kind of semantic relativism interesting is its wide range of possible applications. Andy, John and I go through a bunch of areas where we think it is at least prima facie plausible, the most philosophically interesting being colour claims, although the epistemic modals that are the focus of the paper I think should also be interesting. And there’s a possibility for application to ethics, though I’m a bit scared of treading there for fear of ending up in a morass.

The real philosophical interest, however, will come from applications in epistemology. As far as I can tell, relativism has all of the benefits of contextualism with none of the costs. John MacFarlane has written a paper just about applicability to knowledge claims and that will presumably be a major focus of his book. Mark Richard’s paper is also largely about knowledge claims, though the most detailed example concerns a special under-appreciated kind of comparative adjective. And Crispin Wright’s paper made an interesting point about knowledge as well. If the flurry of papers on contextualism about knowledge ascriptions is any indication, relativism about knowledge ascrpitions should be responsible for the deaths of several medium-sized forests.

One reason is that contextualism about knowledge isn’t that interesting from the perspective of formal semantics. We know that there are context sensitive expressions in language. Whether ‘know’ in English is one of them is an interesting empirical question, but not one whose answer causes deep theoretical ripples. If relativism about knowledge ascriptions, or about anything else, is right we have a lot of work to do at the foundations of semantics in order to accommodate this fact. (That’s not to say there aren’t other interesting questions for philosophers of language that contextualism raises. There are, particularly about philosophical methodology. But they don’t really cut to the core the way the relativist claims do.)

And as I said there are all the problems for contextualism that relativism solves. Below the fold I’ve included a summary of these, most of which are presented in more detail in the papers I’ve already mentioned.

TV Cases
I talked about these in an earlier post but it’s worth briefly mentioning them again. Let A and B be in different contexts so that the contextualist would say that A’s utterance S knows that p is true and B’s utterance S doesn’t know that p is also true. Now imagine A and B are both watching C, who is on television, talking about S. She says S knows that p, and A says That’s true while B says That’s false. Whatever intuitive force there is to the claim that both A and B spoke truly in the original case should, I think, carry over to the claim that both A and B speak truly when responding to C. But the contextualist cannot allow this. For the contextualist either A or B speaks falsely in these replies. (Which one it is will depend on what context C is in.) The relativist can allow that neither A nor B makes a mistake – that is each speaks truly relative to her context.

Reporting, Retracting and so on
MacFarlane focuses on this kind of case. When C says Smith knows that p, both A and B can report this by saying C said that S knows that p. This is difficult (to say the least) to account for under a contextualist framework. (If you are impressed by Lepore-style worries about the flexibility of speech reports, change the report to C believes that S knows that p. The worries don’t go away.)

Similarly, when we are moved by sceptical or otherwise standard-raising concerns, we are moved to retract previous knowledge ascriptions. This too is hard to account for under a contextualist picture.

The contextualist could in either case just say that we are making some kind of mistake in our reporting or retracting practices. But now it seems very hard to see what defence the contextualist has left against the invariantist who looks at the intuitive data the contextualist raises and says, well, we’re just making a mistake in our propositional attitude ascribing practices there too. The contextualist is left with the rather odd methodological claim that some propositional attitude ascriptions must be taken exactly at face value, while others are altogether discounted. Not a happy position, and not one the relativist finds herself in.

Conflict
Related to the previous point, Crispin Wright had a very nice example in the St Andrews paper that brought out why relativism looks more attractive than contextualism in the knowledge case. The point here is very similar to the point Richard is making in his paper in Philosophical Studies, but I thought Crispin’s version was nice enough to quote.

A doctor is performing surgery and notices something about the scalpel is handed.
—-This scalpel is dangerously blunt, he complains.
Later he is watching as an orderly comes by to collect the instruments for cleaning and sharpening.
—-Watch out, he says. That scalpel is dangeously sharp.

Although the doctor’s utterances have the surface form of being in conflict, they are really not. Indeed, he could hold both of the attitudes expressed at the same time. (Perhaps he gives the blunt scalpel directly to the orderly.) This is a contrast to the music case. No one could coherently hold both the view Alice expresses and the view Suzy expresses. That’s a nice way to distinguish contextually-sensitive terms from relativist terms. When dealing with relativist terms, we always have a conflict between expressions that look like they are in conflict, even if the semantics allows a kind of reconciliation. For contextually-sensitive terms, we don’t have that.

Now as Crispin pointed out, knowledge talk is more like music talk than scalpel talk in this respect. No one can hold, at the one time, that Moore both knows and does not know that he has hands, or both knows and does not know where his bicycle is parked. This contrasts with the doctor who can both hold the scalpel is dangerously blunt and dangerously sharp. So again we have a motivation for a relativist rather than contextualist treatment here.

So I think there’s lots of grounds for excitement here. Personally I’m an old-fashioned Moorean invariantist about knowledge. I think people are just making a philosophical mistake when they fall for sceptical arguments. (And I don’t think it should count too much against a theory that it says people are prone to philosophical mistakes. This strikes me as a truism. It’s here I part company with MacFarlane et al, though I do think they have the better of the dispute with the contextualists.) But there’s lots of philosophical work to be done developing and critiquing views on how the relativist project is to proceed.

Just for the sake of priority claims, it’s worth noting that in my case at least all of the ‘big picture’ philosophical ideas here are things I learned from John MacFarlane. Several of the details in the epistemic modals paper I guess are mine (and several others are Andy’s or John’s), and the TV cases is my way of putting one of MacFarlane’s ideas. But I don’t want my promotional efforts here to be confused with any claim to intellectual priority, because in this case (as in most cases!) I’m just the details guy. In terms of priority MacFarlane and Richard I think deserve the vast bulk of the credit. (Well, possibly Andy, John and I were the first to apply it to colour terms. That perhaps is more than a detail if you’re keeping score. But you get the idea.) The only qualification to that is that some of the ideas are, I’m told, anticipated by Jay Rosenberg’s book Thinking About Knowing. (MacFarlane credits this book. Thanks to David Jehle for bringing it to my attention.) I haven’t read the Rosenberg book so maybe I’ll revise a little my opinion on who was first here when I do.

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  1. Jason Stanley says:

    Brian,
    You’re simply giving a crazy description of the facts. “Better than” is a multi-grade adjective. At this point in the morning, I may be misremembering the exact vocabulary, but the point is that in a context in which health is at issue, an utterance of “Spinach is better than chocalate” expresses a truth, whereas in a context in which taste is at issue, an utterance of that sentence expresses a false proposition. The content of “better than” depends on what is at issue in the context of use. The impression that Alice and Suzy are disagreeing is due to the fact that they must have different dimensions of goodness is mind. This is old hat in the semantics literature.
    Your argument using “what is said” locutions (in Alice’s context, what Suzy said is false) is thoroughly unpersuasive. People don’t have intuitions that can adjudicate such claims as “In Alice’s context, what Suzy said is false”. What the heck does that even mean? I have no clue.
    Your description ignores the multi-grade nature of “better than” in an attempt to motivate the McFarlane idea you’ve been pushing, namely that we need to add an extra dimension of relativity (in addition to context and circumstance of evaluation). Some smart people have also tried to advance this thesis (in particular, McFarlane has done the best and most persuasive job — it’s really his idea). But no one, even McFarlane, has succeeded in providing a single convincing empirical argument for this claim (I don’t at all buy McFarlane’s argument concerning future contingents in his PQ article).
    Surely, we can all agree that before we admit a third dimension of truth-relativity in addition to context-sensitivity and circumstance-relativity, at least one actually persuasive argument should actually be provided. I agree it’s exciting to speculate about an additional dimension of truth-relativity — it hasn’t been done before! But there are utterly compelling arguments that utterance truth depends upon both context of use and circumstance of evaluation. No such arguments exist for the case of an additional parameters — all arguments resemble the one you give for ‘better than’.

  2. Jason Stanley says:

    Brian,
    Again, I hate to throw water on an exciting new idea. But the Wright example you give is also thoroughly unpersuasive. Clearly, in the first utterance, the doctor had one purpose in mind (“this scalpal is dangerously blunt for this procedure”). In the second utterance, the doctor has something else in mind (“this scalpal is dangerously sharp to handle casually”). Two different propositions expressed, context-sensitivity. This argument is about as persuasive as arguing that the fact that “John is tall” can be true when one is talking about fifth-graders but false when talking about people in general demonstrates that there is an extra dimension of utterance truth-relativity, in addition to context-sensitivity and circumstance-relativity.
    As far as the ‘saying’ report evidence you discuss concerning knowledge-attributions, one could handle that in terms of circumstance-relativity, as Hawthorne and I do.

  3. Ralph Wedgwood says:

    I’m afraid that this time, I’m closer to Jason than to you, Brian. Certainly, what Jason says about the scalpel case seems clearly right to me.

    However, as a realist about aesthetic value, I don’t think it’s at all plausible to appeal to the multi-grade character of ‘better than’ to explain the dispute between Alice and Suzy. The context sounds like one in which ‘better than’ on both Alice’s and Suzy’s lips refers to the same relation — viz. the relation of being a better album to listen to for the aesthetic purposes that people standardly have when listening to music of the relevant genre. (No doubt this relation will involve cases of “incomparability”: it will give at most a partial ordering of albums, but that’s aesthetics for you.)

    So, as a realist about aesthetic value, I want to say that either Alice or Suzy (or, quite likely, both) is saying something false. Our “intuition” that neither party has made “a mistake” should be explained not semantically, but epistemologically: their beliefs and assertions are both perfectly and equally justified or warranted (or something like that).

    In the TV case, it just doesn’t seem clear to me that A’s use of ‘That’ has to have the same reference as B’s. Perhaps A’s use of ‘That’ refers to the proposition that A would express by uttering ‘S knows that p’, and B’s use to the proposition that B would express by uttering that sentence. (The example is most compelling if neither A nor B is particularly interested in C, but are both very interested in whether S knows that p; in that case, it becomes quite plausible that they are just referring to different propositions.)

    I also doubt the alleged intuitions about retracting. I don’t think that we always retract the claims that we made in the relaxed context when we move into the strict and demanding context. Suppose that Ulrike, a mathematician, is in the pub with her mates, and says ‘I know that this proposition [about algebraic topology] is true’; later that day, at a plenary session of the London Mathematical Society, she says ‘No one knows yet whether this proposition is true’. Suppose that one of her mates is in the audience, and objects, ‘You said in the pub that you knew that this proposition is true’. Ulrike surely wouldn’t retract her earlier claim. Instead, she would rephrase her earlier claim: ‘Look, when I said in the pub that I knew that this proposition was true, I didn’t mean that I could prove it; when I said just now that no one knows whether it is true, what I meant was just that no one can yet prove that this proposition is true.’

    Indeed, I would go so far as to insist that contextualism is only plausible in those cases where we don’t have strong intuitions about disagreement, and don’t retract, etc. (This is one of the many reasons why, in spite of being an enthusiastic epistemological contextualist, I refuse to appeal to contextualism to answer sceptical arguments.)

  4. Fritz says:

    Is there a penalty box for “unpersuasive posts”? If so, can someone please put Brian in it — Major penalty.

  5. Geoff says:

    I don’t see that the TV case is a problem for contextualism about “S knows that p”. The case is only as strong as your claim that:

    Whatever intuitive force there is to the claim that both A and B spoke truly in the original case should, I think, carry over to the claim that both A and B speak truly when responding to C.

    Now, if you think that’s right, it seems to me that the contextualist has a number of options for giving a decent explanation for it. One is to go Ralph’s way and say that A and B are referring to different propositions—that way, they both come out speaking truly. She might also say that A (or B) is speaking falsely, but give an explanation as to why it seems otherwise—maybe because one of them is intending to refer to a different proposition than the other. I’m sure there are other ways for the contextualist to account for your claim, if it’s bothering her.

    But I don’t even see how the claim is right. My ordinary speaker self doesn’t have any intuition about it whatsoever. On the other hand, my self-conscious philosophical self is sort of sympathetic to the contextualist’s claim that the semantic value of “knows” varies with the context of utterance. Since taking your claim seriously with respect to other terms like that in similar thought experiments (e.g., “here”, “tall”, “warm”) would lead to silly results, I don’t take it seriously in those cases; hence, I conclude that I don’t have to take it seriously here, either. I’m not sure how I could be convinced otherwise. Is there some reason the contextualist (or anybody, really) should think your claim is true?

  6. Brian says:

    I didn’t mean to suggest that ‘dangerous’ was a relativist term. I’m sorry I hinted at that. The only point here was one Jason should be familiar with because he’s endorsed it in print. When we look at really contextually sensitive terms, we see all sorts of ways they behave differently to ‘knows’.

    I don’t understand Geoff’s reaction at all. Consider the following news report from Iraq.

    R: There’s lots of shelling here. The Americans know who’s doing it, but they are powerless to stop them.

    It’s just obvious to me that my willingness to assert ‘There’s lots of shelling here’ is totally unrelated to whether I’ll endorse that claim by the reporter. But whether I’ll endorse her claim ‘The Americans know who’s doing it’ stands and falls completely directly with whether I’ll actually assert that sentence. This seems like a pretty big difference between ‘here’ and ‘knows’ to me, and just thinking about how we’d really react to TV cases rather than asking how one or other theory says we should react brings this out.

    Maybe I’ll come back to Jason and Ralph’s other interesting points later – today might be kinda busy though. I really really doubt that Alice and Suzy’s dispute can just be written off as different contexts though, and I’m not even sure why one would think that it could. But there’s lots of other things to address.

  7. Jason Stanley says:

    Brian,
    Sure, I’m committed to the view that “know” behaves very differently from context-sensitive terms. So there is good evidence that it isn’t context-sensitive — that’s why I’ve argued for subject-sensitivity, which accounts for many of the facts you discuss. But if I were provided with really compelling reasons to abandon subject-sensitivity, then the weight of the evidence would incline me towards contextualism or insensitive invariantism. Why? Because truth-relativism is, in my book, an incoherent doctrine.
    I have no idea what it means for a proposition to be true for one evaluator, and false for another evaluator. This sounds to me as incoherent as can be. So one would need first massive amounts of evidence that there is a serious fissure in our ordinary conceptual scheme. Secondly, one would need some explanation of what it means for a proposition (not an utterance!) to be true for one evaluator but false for another (where this doesn’t just mean that one evaluator believes it, and the other doesn’t).
    Indeed, I think in your epistemic modals paper, you don’t really give a theory that treats truth for propositions as relative to an evaluator. From my recollection, it looks like you’re treating the evaluator as determining some element of the proposition. That’s context-sensitivity, not evaluator relativity.
    The basic worry with evaluator relativity is that it’s not coherent. In MacFarlane’s early work, he evaded some of these worries by only talking about truth for utterances. But then the worry is that the evaluator is just another contextual coordinate that determines the proposition expressed, which is just a kind of context-sensitivity (this is in fact how you seemed to treat it in the early versions of the epistemic modals paper). In order for it to be this exciting new notion of evaluation, it must be distinct from circumstance-relativity and context-sensitivity. That is, it must be a modification of propositional truth, that functions like truth-in-a-world, but is truth-relative-to-an evaluator. And that notion just is of dubious coherence. In this dialectical situation, one can’t just throw a few examples around that may or may not be slight problems for a contextualist account. One needs to address the underlying coherence of the prima facie incoherent notion of a proposition being truth-for-me, but not true-for-you.
    So when you say that the Alice and Suzy dispute can’t be chalked up to context-sensitivity (though it seems to me that it clearly can, so I don’t know what you mean here, but never mind), you can’t just have in mind the point that a few of our linguistic intuitions about attitude ascriptions would be go awry. You have to establish that there is something so drastically exceptional about such discourses, so earth-shatteringly paradigm breaking, that it forces us to try to make sense out of one proposition (not utterance!) being true-for-Alice but not true-for-Suzy. Assuming true propositions are facts, that means that Alice and Suzy live in different worlds, doesn’t it? The Suzy-facts differ from the Alice-facts. What does this mean? This is surely some kind of postmodern theory of truth, isn’t it?
    One of the many things I like about MacFarlane’s recent work is that he does recognize the extreme nature of the doctrines he’s propounding, and has started to spend more time trying to make sense out of the basic notions.
    What I’m trying to emphasize is that the fact that truth-relativity (of propositions) is prima facie incoherent changes the dialectical situation from simply example slinging. It’s a completely different debate from (e.g.) contextualism about knowledge attributions vs. subject-sensitive invariantism. There, what is at issue are two well-understood dimensions of truth-variation, context-sensitivity (which affects the propositional expression relation) and circumstance-relativity (which is the sense in which a proposition’s truth is relative). No one has ever denied the coherence of these notions, so one can legitimately ask which notion is at play in our intuitions about cases. One can’t play this game with the postmodern theory of truth, because then there is the enormous additional cost of trying to make sense of postmodern truth.

  8. Matt Weiner says:

    Jason,
    I wouldn’t agree that relativism concerning propositions shows an incoherence in our ordinary conceptual scheme, because I don’t think propositions belong to our ordinary conceptual scheme. (Well, unless “our” means “philosophers’,” in which case I’m not so moved by the enormity of that incoherence.) “Proposition” is a term of philosophical art which AFAICT is either not defined or means just “whatever utterances-in-contexts express.” So I have no more trouble making sense of the idea that a proposition can be true for one evaluator and false for another than of the idea that an utterance’s truth-value can depend on the context in which it is evaluated. (No less, either.)

    What I do have trouble making sense of is the notion that the evaluator might be part of the context. Maybe I’m just not following your idea here, but isn’t the context the context of the conversation in which the utterance takes place? How can that stretch to include the person who is evaluating it—not the addressee, but the evaluator?

    Maybe this is just a question of how to label various things—you say that evaluator is part of context and that propositions are invariant, I say that propositions are relative and that evaluator isn’t part of a context—but I just don’t see the technical mechanisms of relativism as pushing us toward some kind of postmodernism.

  9. Jason Stanley says:

    Matt,
    So, “We hold these propositions to be self-evident” was written by a trained analytic philosopher? I tend to think that the idea that propositions are theoretical constructs is a theoretical construct.

    But your message does worry me, because again it suggests a failure to see how radical talk of relative truth in fact is. Let’s say that the term “proposition” is a term of art. Nevertheless, saying it’s a term of art doesn’t mean that there are no commonalities between its different uses by different theorists. All those who use the term “proposition” should use it to mean something that is the ultimate bearer of truth-value. According to the doctrine of relative truth, one and the same proposition can be true for one person, but false for another. All we have to do to see how radical the doctrine of relative truth is is to add the identity theory of truth (a fact is a true proposition). Then we get the thesis that the facts are different for one person than they are for another, even at the same time. For the facts for x will be the true propositions for x, and these may be different propositions than the true propositions for y, even if x and y live in the same world. Hard to see how x and y live in the same world!

    But we don’t even have to add the identity theory of truth to see how radical the doctrine is. Contextualism makes perfect sense out of how one and the same utterance could be true in x’s mouth but not in y’s mouth. According to the contextualist, the proposition expressed in x’s mouth is a different proposition than the proposition in y’s mouth. So, apparent conflict is not genuine conflict — the bearers of truth are different.

    But according to the relativist about truth (if it is not a version of contextualism), the bearers of truth are the same for x and y, but apparent conflict is not genuine conflict, because x and y have their own truths. Hmmm. Not post-modernism?

    Now, there is a temptation, when faced with the original presentation in MacFarlane’s work a few years ago, not to interpret it as relativism about truth. For example, if you do the whole thing with utterance-truth, then the temptation is to interpret it as another version of contextualism. On this intepretation, utterance truth is relative to a world, a context, and an evaluator. But there is then a temptation, when thinking about this framework, to ‘translate’ it into a more standard framework involving propositions. One would then take the context-evaluator pair to determine a proposition. Then, the idea is that different evaluators in apparent contradiction aren’t contradicting one another, because different propositions are expressed. This is to take the evaluator as a determinant of the proposition expressed, which is to say, it is to take a contextualist position — apparent conflict is avoided because two different propositions are expressed. But this is a contextualist reading of the original MacFarlane framework. I have no objection to this, but it isn’t as exciting or radical as everyone says — it’s just another version of contextualism, and objections to contextualism are objections to it too (assuming prop attitudes to be relations to propositions).

    The radical doctrine is that relativism about truth — the thing we explain to our intro undergrads is incoherent— in fact is coherent. There is a temptation, when presented with a formal framework, to think ‘huh, that makes sense, one can write up a few axioms and generate relative-truth conditions’. But that is not what it means for a notion to be coherent. If you interpret the framework as it’s intended to be interpreted, it involves the notion “true for person x”, where one and the same bearer of truth may be true for one person, but false for another. Sure, I can write that down — but what does it mean?

  10. Matt Weiner says:

    [begin cheap shot]
    So, “We hold these propositions to be self-evident” was written by a trained analytic philosopher?

    Yes, it was—you. The Declaration of Independence has “truths.” I don’t place a whole lot of weight on the ordinary uses of words that have been appropriated by philosophers, but when I google the word “proposition” 8 of the top 10 hits have to do with ballot initiatives, one is the name of an art gallery, and one is from Euclid (which I count as philosophical). The folk do sometimes use the word “proposition,” (see Calvin Coolidge’s quote in this charmer) but not in any way that makes me feel compelled to allow that we ought to use the word to mean the ultimate bearer of truth.
    [end cheap shot]

    I suppose I should probably not fight too much about propositions, because I think “proposition” is not only a technical term but a pernicious one that’s done a lot of harm to philosophy—I think the idea that we should use “proposition” to be an ultimate bearer of truth-value, because I don’t see why we need such a thing; and my instinct with respect to the identity theory is that all the terms need to be deflated. So I like the triple relativism of utterance truth but am not tempted to translate it into a propositional framework—when you’ve figured out utterance truth, you’ve figured out everything I’m interested in. (So we may be in agreement about everything I care about—on this interpretation relativism may have some of the problems contextualism has, though I agree with Brian that it doesn’t have as many.)

    But—and I should probably have led with this, since it’s the real philosophical point—let’s look at how the proposition + identity theory view works with MacFarlane’s account of future contingents. On that view, “It will rain in Pittsburgh tomorrow” may be neither true or false evaluated when I utter it now, but true [or false] when evaluated Friday. Translating it into fact-talk, it is not a fact for me now that it (tenselessly) rains in Pittsburgh July 8, 2004, but that is a fact for for me on Friday. So there are different truths for these two temporal stages. Is that a problem? What happened is that a new fact comes into being when it rains (or becomes settled that it will rain). Even if you don’t buy MacFarlane’s account of future contingents, this doesn’t seem incoherent on its face to me—it provides a way in which we can say that different temporal stages can have different truths without forcing us into nasty post-modernism. So it provides a model for how relativism might work, even if you don’t think that’s the way that future contingents actually do work.

    (BTW, future contingents don’t yield a case in which something can be true for A and false for B; the stock of truths and falsehoods increases monotonically with time on MacFarlane’s account as I understand/recall it.)

  11. Matt Weiner says:

    ps The Mekons Honky Tonkin’

  12. Jeff Johnson says:

    Let me see if I can clarify matters a bit. Perhaps we needn’t worry too much about the content of the context (e.g., is the evaluator part of the context or not?) as long as we recognize the function of the context. An obvious reason for needing `context’ in semantics is that a word or expression has the potential to refer to, mean, or be about more than one thing. The truth-value of the sentence “I am here’‘ is relative to the `context’ because “I’‘ could refer to Brian, Jason, Matt, etc., “am’‘ could mean on Tuesday, Wednesday, etc., and `here’ could refer to New York, Miami, Milwaukee, etc. The function of the “context’‘ is to fix the interpretation of the sentence.

    I take it that contextualism with respect to knowledge, at least any plausible form of it, is just the view that there is more than one kind of knowledge. So the reason that the sentence “S knows that P’‘ could be true in one person’s mouth and false in another’s, given a fixed S, P, and time, is that in the one person’s mouth “knows’‘ refers to, say, folk-knowledge, and in the other person’s mouth refers to, say, philosopher-knowledge. Note that I’m not endorsing contextualism here, just explicating it.

    What I think Jason is worried about, rightly, is the view that even when the interpretation of a sentence is fixed—-even when we know what all the words refer to—-there is still some further relativity, namely, relativity to the evaluator. For example, this view would be entailed by the assertion that even if Alice’s use of “better album’‘ and Suzy’s use of “better album’‘ referred to the exact same thing, it is possible for Alice’s sentence to be true and Suzy’s to be false at the same time.

    As far as MacFarlane’s arguments about future contingents are concerned, I’d like to point out that our ordinary notions of truth and falsity are already relativized to time. For example, we can say, “It is true now that Bush is President, but it won’t be true in 2006.’‘ Of course, this doesn’t mean that it won’t be true in 2006 that Bush was President in 2004. It just means that it won’t be true in 2006 that Bush is still President in 2006. (As President Clinton said, it depends on what the meaning of the word “is’‘ is.)

    Consider the sentence “There will be a sea battle tomorrow.’‘ Suppose that a sea battle actually occurs tomorrow. Then we can say that the sentence is true today. However, suppose also that no sea battle occurs the day after tomorrow. Then we can’t say that the sentence is true tomorrow too. In fact, it will be false tomorrow, because tomorrow, “tomorrow’‘ will refer to the day after tomorrow. Tomorrow we can say that the sentence was true yesterday, but we can’t say that it’s still true.

    Now, is it even possible to coherently state MacFarlane’s view, given the `tenseness’ of truth and falsity? Well, it seems to me that he would have to say the following:

    It is true today that the sentence “There will be a sea battle tomorrow’‘ was true yesterday, but it was false yesterday that the sentence was true yesterday (because it was true yesterday that the sentence was neither true nor false yesterday).

    I’m not sure how much sense that makes.

  13. Matt Weiner says:

    Jeff, I like this paragraph:

    What I think Jason is worried about, rightly, is the view that even when the interpretation of a sentence is fixed—-even when we know what all the words refer to—-there is still some further relativity, namely, relativity to the evaluator. For example, this view would be entailed by the assertion that even if Alice’s use of “better album” and Suzy’s use of “better album” referred to the exact same thing, it is possible for Alice’s sentence to be true and Suzy’s to be false at the same time.

    I’m more or less not worried about this (though I don’t think “better album” is a great case—o’course I haven’t read Wright’s paper). I don’t have a problem in principle with the idea that some of our words pick out concepts whose application varies with the context from which you’re evaluating them. For instance, I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that what it is to be a rectangle—not what “rectangle” denotes, but what it is to be a rectangle—varies with the context from which you’re evaluting whether something is a rectangle. This doesn’t send you to postmodernism in a handbasket; the underlying facts are still the same, it’s just that rectangularity turns out to be an unusual kind of concept.

    I’m not arguing that rectangularity is that kind of concept, just that it’s not nonsensical to think it might be. (MacFarlane and I disagree about how the relativist ought to treat “rectangular” and similar terms, BTW; I think the relevant standards are always the standards in play in the context of evaluation, with context-shifting operators like “by the standards of our previous conversation” necessary if you want to invoke different standards.)

    I don’t much like your paraphrase of MacFarlane’s view, though. One thing is that we can accommodate tenseness by sticking to utterances-in-contexts, so you don’t get “‘It will rain tomorrow’ is true today but won’t be true tomorrow”; devices like “What she said“ will help there. “What she said” is ambiguous—you can say “What she said was true today but won’t be true tomorrow,” referring to the sentence she uttered, but you can also say “What she said is just plain true,” even on a day when it won’t rain tomorrow; that maybe refers to utterance in a context.

    Anyway, that said, I would paraphrase MacFarlane’s view as something like this—
    “She said yesterday, ‘It will rain tomorrow’; that is true, but evaluated from her standpoint, it wasn’t true yet.”

    That sounds a little more sensible to me.

  14. Jeff Johnson says:

    Matt,
    I’m not sure exactly what you mean about rectangles. I can imagine something plausible: there may be multiple extensionally-equivalent definitions of a rectangle. I have no problem with that. However, in the example of Alice and Suzy, in the debate over contextualism in epistemology, and in MacFarlane’s view of future contingents, we have the possibility of extensional non-equivalence. For instance, we have the possibility of different utterances of “S knows that P’‘ with different truth-values. As long as “is a rectangle’‘ is satisfied by a unique set, there’s no need for relativity to context. If you want to say that it’s possible for the same object to satisfy “is a rectangle’‘ in one context but falsify it in another context, then I don’t think it’s plausible to claim that what “rectangle’‘ denotes does not vary with context.

    I’m fine with using the notion of `what she said.’ As you seemed to say in an earlier comment, that’s just the proposition expressed by the sentence. It’s not clear, however, whether we can evaluate it tenselessly. When you say “that is true’‘, what is “that’‘ referring to? When we refer back to what she said—-not just to the sentence, but what it expresses—-we have to phrase it something like this: “She said that it would rain today.’‘

    To me, the following is the natural thing to say on the day it rained:
    (1) Yesterday she said that it would rain today.
    (2) It did rain today.
    (3) Therefore, what she said was true.

    It also seems ok to conclude:
    (3’) Therefore, she said something true.
    This allows us to avoid tense altogether, though at the price of being unnecessarily vague (“something’‘).

    To me, it sounds a little strange, but still probably acceptable, to conclude:
    (3’‘) Therefore, what she said is true.

    Given that (3) is the most natural conclusion, MacFarlane’s view seems highly counterintuitive:
    (3’‘ and ~3) Therefore, what she said is true (today). However, what she said was not true (yesterday).

    I think the case against MacFarlane’s view is even stronger if we look at what she actually said.

    This sounds natural:
    (4) It was true yesterday that it would rain today.

    This sounds somewhat strange:
    (4’) It is true that it would rain today.

    Stranger:
    (4 1/2’) It is true today that it would rain today.

    Unacceptable:
    (4’‘) It is true (today) that it would rain today. However, it was not true (yesterday) that it would rain today.

  15. Jason Stanley says:

    Matt,
    (Quickly, because I’m on the road). Part of the problem about rejecting a lot of the background terminology that is being operated with is that it’s no longer clear how to evaluate objections to various doctrines. For example, when Brian uses ‘what is said’ locutions to raise worries with contextualism, he’s tacitly appealing to standard assumptions about propositions. If you don’t accept these assumptions, and the framework, the worry is that you can’t then appeal to these arguments in arguments by elimination in favor of relative truth.
    Future contingents are not a case in which two people are evaluating propositions at the same time, which I was discussing. So I agree that that is not an application that raises immediate post-modern worries (which is not to say I agree with it — I see nothing wrong with using a slightly adjusted version of Thomason’s supervaluational framework to get the intuitions John wants).
    Sorry about misquoting the constitution — oops — don’t post to blogs when running out the door.

  16. Matt Weiner says:

    Jason—Fair enough—my eccentric views about propositions may take the oomph out of some of the views here. (I’m certain that my eccentric views about knowledge take some of the oomph out of that relativism v. contextualism v. invariantism dispute if they turn out to be true.) I think it may be possible to arrive at a notion of what is said that doesn’t conform to the traditional notion of propositions and still allows us to judge the competing theories, but that would be a big project. For now, I just want to argue that there’s a construal on which John’s analysis does make sense (prima facie)—not sure whether it’s desirable.

    Jeff—I am thinking of a view on which what is said by the utterance-in-context-of-utterance is (in some sense) that Pennsylvania is a rectangle, and that whether Pennsylvania is a rectangle varies with context of evaluation, because rectangle is a concept whose extension varies with context of evaluation. So it’s context dependence, but not the kind we’re used to. (Here I’m just repeating MacFarlane in a degraded form.)

    You’re right that the (4) sentences are weird; I don’t think the relativist can make a case on predicting ordinary-language ability of sentences like that. (Even (4) doesn’t sound natural to me.)The question is going to be, in part, whether there’s some other good reason for adopting that sort of semantics. Relative truth happens to provide a particularly elegant solution to some problems in speech-act theory in Belnap’s branching semantics (that’s the future-contingent stuff), but that merit may not travel far outside Pittsburgh.

  17. matt says:

    belnap’s branching time semantics, which is based on Prior-Thomason branching time semantics.

  18. Lindsay Beyerstein says:

    I don’t understand why evaluator sensitive semantics is controversial. What I mean by “X is a better album than Y” depends on my background aesthetic theory. If I’m an aesthetic realist I mean something like “X has more of generic non-natural property p than does Y.” If I were a non-cognitivist, the correct paraphrase would be different.

    Let’s say Anne is a behaviorist and Sue is an objectivist.

    Anne says “Abbey Road is better than Master of Puppets.”
    Sue says, “No way, man. Master of Puppets is better than Abbey Road.”

    Anne thinks that X is a better album than Y iff more humans would take X to a desert island than Y. Sue thinks that X is better than Y iff X the more successful celebration of humans as they can and should be. It sounds like they can’t both be right because it sounds like Sue contradicted Anne. But upon closer examination, it may turn out that the disputants are actually talking past each other.

  19. Jason Stanley says:

    Lindsay,
    You’re describing a contextualist account of the phenomenon, not a relative-truth account. According to you, the two people mean different things. According to the truth-relativist, they mean exactly the same thing, the proposition they express is exactly the same. It’s just that the propositions have different truth-values relative to this world (that should sound strange!).

  20. Lindsay Beyerstein says:

    It’s just that the propositions have different truth-values relative to this world (that should sound strange!).

    It does. Which world does “this” refer to, according to the relativist?

    It sounds like the relativist arguing that semantic discourse takes place in the actual world, against which we evaluate the truth values of Anne and Sue’s statements. I am I right to infer that the relativist also posits an Anne-world and a Sue-world, within which which their statements “X is better than Y” could have different truth values than we assign them in the actual world?

  21. Jason Stanley says:

    Lindsay,
    Well, for the relativist, truth is relative to a person and an evaluator. So Anne and Sue are supposed to share the same world, yet the same proposition, relative to that world, can be true-for-Anne and false-for-Sue. The worry for relativism has always been to make sense out of those nasty locutions, “true-for-Anne” and “false-for-Sue”. I’ve been trying to emphasize a little bit, in the above posts, why that’s so difficult (for example, I agree with you that it’s hard to avoid talk of a ‘Sue-world’ and an ‘Anne-world’, depending upon the application).
    Making sense out of this is the hardest task facing the relativist, as I think its chief defender (MacFarlane) recognizes — he discusses this in several papers under the title of the ‘incoherence objection’. I’m not yet satisfied with any answer he has given, of course, but it’s a very hard problem, obviously.

  22. Jason Stanley says:

    Matt,
    I must admit to sharing some sympathy with Jeff’s puzzlement with your theory of rectangles (or the rectangle-predication-relation). I can’t really understand the different descriptions. One way of construing this sounded like you were taking predication to be a context-sensitive structural relation, expressing different predication relations in different contexts. Well, I disagree rather violently with this (it’s a violation of compositionality, in my book), but it’s coherent. But it’s certainly not relativism — it’s a fancy version of contextualism.

    The right description of that view is that the sentence “That is a rectangle” expresses different propositions in different contexts of use, not because any of the lexical items are context-sensitive, but because the structural relation of predication expresses different relations in different contexts. So, you’ve got a different contextual mechanism accounting for the context-sensitivity of the sentence than a contextualist theory of “rectangle”. But it’s contextualism all the same — the same sentence expresses different propositions in different contexts of use, but not for a reason we’re used to seeing.

    You want to say that the propositions expressed by the different utterances of “That is a rectangle” are the same, but two people can disagree about the truth of that proposition, and both be right. This is the relativist position, but your explanation hasn’t helped me understand how it is possible. If Jack has one predication relation in mind, and Jill another, then Jack and Jill are not considering the same proposition — they’re interpreting the syntactic predication relation differently. If, on the other hand, they have the same proposition in mind, then they’re interpreting the predication relation the same. I’m at somewhat of a loss here about how your way of going is helping.

  23. Matt Weiner says:

    I didn’t mean to suggest that predication is a relation that varies with context of evaluation. (I see that I italicized “is” in a way that was likely to mislead.) That does sound like a weird view, and I don’t think it would have any advantages over the exact same kind of contextualism applied to “rectangle” rather than predication; and as you point out it seems to have lots of disadvantages.

    The thought is more like this:

    Look at the relevant proposition “PA is rectangular” as a relation between the object PA and the concept rectangularity. The question is, what is the concept rectangularity? If you’re looking at Kaplan’s LD system (to take a simple example), rectangularity will be the interpretation of the term “rectangular,” which is a function from world-time pairs to sets of objects (the extension of “rectangular” at that moment).

    But perhaps concepts don’t have to be functions from world-time pairs to sets of objects; perhaps the concept itself can be a function from context-world-time triples to sets of objects. Then Jack and Jill will be expressing the same proposition when they say “PA is a rectangle”—it’s the pair of PA and rectangularity—but the truth-value of this proposition can vary with the context in which it’s evaluated—which, remember, need not be the context of Jack’s or Jill’s utterance. This can happen because I’ve built evaluation-dependence into the proposition itself, via the concept of rectangularity.

    This may well be simply verbal reshuffling of where the dependence goes, and hence a fancy form of contextualism in disguise. (The way I’ve set it up, even ordinary propositions need to be supplemented by a world and time, and this won’t jibe with many people’s notions of proposition; I certainly don’t want to dictate a use of “proposition” except that I would like to see it used as a verb more.) And I’m pretty sure that this won’t help anyone see how relativism is possible; I still think I’m just saying “Context dependence, but not the kind you’re used to,” which is already in John’s papers. But maybe my stuff about propositions and concepts (I’m not very fond of either term in phi. language) will strike a chord with someone, dunno.

    Anyway, I should probably make this my last post on this thread, unless it turns out that I’ve created another misleading impression.

  24. Jason Stanley says:

    I’ve posted some comments relevant for this thread, on the general topic of contextualism and relativism, and the specific topic of Egan, Hawthorne, and Weatherson’s paper on epistemic modals, on the Certain Doubts blog at:

    http://www.missouri.edu/~kvanvigj/certain_doubts/

  25. Rob Stainton says:

    I read one of MacFarlane’s papers last week, in which he argues for assessment relativity. The paper was “Three Grades of Truth Relativity”, from his website. I had one really big question about the paper, namely what any of it has to do with natural language.

    The worry is this. If stuff about future contingents is what motivates assessment relativity, then the motivation will apply equally to any symbolic medium with which we convey thoughts about the future. Gestures can be used to convey such thoughts. So can pictures. So they are presumably “assessment relative” too. But rather than going down that path, I’d rather conclude that there is no reason to suppose that there is something language-specific, in the syntax or in the semantics for English (or Swahili or what-have-you) whose job is to allow for assessment sensitivity. Instead, assessment relativity, if it exists, is a pragmatic phenomenon, having to do with our use of symbols in general, not with something as specific as natural language semantics.

    One might complain — and Phil Kremer did complain — that just because it shows up elsewhere is not yet a reason to think that there isn’t some doohickey in language that does the job. Witness marking of time, utterer, etc. which can show up in our use of picture and gestures, but is a feature of linguistic expressions too. Fair enough. But there’s an Ockham’s Razor point here: if there is no reason for putting a “context of assessment” slot into natural language expressions, beyond what we convey with our use of language, and if such conveying can be explained by appeal to stuff we need for gestures, pictures and the like, then there’s no need to posit something extra in the linguistic expression. Do not posit semantic rules, or syntactic items, without necessity. Now, we have tense markers; we have agreement markers and pronouns; and so on. These require rules in the semantics of the language. Their manifest existence is the reason for positing doohickeys for time, speaker, etc. But what thing, what item of syntax, in natural language has the job of marking assessment relativity? (Don’t say “Future tense”, because MacFarlane wants assessment relativity to be far more general. And we can get assessment relativity, even with respect to future contingents, from expressions that don’t exhibit future tense.) At a minimum, MacFarlane provides no evidence of items in the language that his “context of assessment” works on.

    One might say that we need a doohickey in the syntax or the semantics because assessment relativity has to do with what is asserted, not just with what is implicated. Goes the idea, pragmatics can’t get you asserted content; assessment relativity is about what’s asserted; so we need a “slot” for context of assessment. It’s then an empirical matter where the slot is; but that one is required is beyond question. This won’t work, however, precisely because pragmatics does have a role in determining what is asserted. (Pace my pal Jason, who’s just nuts on this issue.)

    In sum, even if assertions are assessment relative, I don’t see why this has any implications for natural language semantics at all. Unlike ‘I’, ‘now’ and the like, assessment relativity has nothing especially to do with natural languages.