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	<title>Comments on: What is the Principle of Sufficient Reason?</title>
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		<title>By: exapologist</title>
		<link>http://tar.weatherson.org/2008/05/15/what-is-the-principle-of-sufficient-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-5330</link>
		<dc:creator>exapologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a more indirect worry about PSR. I believe Richard Swinburne gives an account of the god of theism as a being who is contingent (exists in some worlds, but not in others), and yet who is a metaphysically indepedent, &quot;free-standing&quot; being at the worlds in which he exists. On this account of God, then, there seems to be no explanation for why God exists.

Now my worry is this: Swinburne&#039;s god seems metaphysically possible, and yet this possibility seems incompatible with PSR. But if so, then why shouldn&#039;t I conclude, &quot;so much the worse for PSR&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a more indirect worry about <span class="caps">PSR</span>. I believe Richard Swinburne gives an account of the god of theism as a being who is contingent (exists in some worlds, but not in others), and yet who is a metaphysically indepedent, &#8220;free-standing&#8221; being at the worlds in which he exists. On this account of God, then, there seems to be no explanation for why God exists.</p>
<p>Now my worry is this: Swinburne&#8217;s god seems metaphysically possible, and yet this possibility seems incompatible with <span class="caps">PSR</span>. But if so, then why shouldn&#8217;t I conclude, &#8220;so much the worse for PSR&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: arpruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a nice point.  So, now I have two different kinds of intuitions that I can use for purposes of theistic arguments.  One is that the ungroundedness of a regress undercuts the explanatory status of the particular steps in the regress.  There are indications that something like this intuition is behind claims in Aquinas&#039; Summa Contra Gentiles.  The second is to affirm that there can be genuine explicability grounded din the steps of a regress, but the whole is not thereby explicable.  

Myself, I think the intuitions behind (2) come from non-circular finite cases where (2) does in fact hold.  (If circular explanation is impossible, then I can drop the &quot;non-circular&quot; in the previous sentence.)  I can occasionally get myself into a mood (mainly by reading and thinking about Aquinas) where I find denying (1) plausible.  But generally I find (1) fairly plausible, and the conjunction of (1) and (2) very implausible, and so I tend to deny (2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice point.  So, now I have two different kinds of intuitions that I can use for purposes of theistic arguments.  One is that the ungroundedness of a regress undercuts the explanatory status of the particular steps in the regress.  There are indications that something like this intuition is behind claims in Aquinas&#8217; Summa Contra Gentiles.  The second is to affirm that there can be genuine explicability grounded din the steps of a regress, but the whole is not thereby explicable.  </p>
<p>Myself, I think the intuitions behind (2) come from non-circular finite cases where (2) does in fact hold.  (If circular explanation is impossible, then I can drop the &#8220;non-circular&#8221; in the previous sentence.)  I can occasionally get myself into a mood (mainly by reading and thinking about Aquinas) where I find denying (1) plausible.  But generally I find (1) fairly plausible, and the conjunction of (1) and (2) very implausible, and so I tend to deny (2).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weatherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Weatherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jlamont and Alexander (if I may),

I wonder if we&#039;re mislocating the clash of intuitions here. I think the cannonball&#039;s flight is explicable because every part of it is explicable. More precisely, I think the following argument is sound.

1) Every part of the cannonball&#039;s flight is explicable.
2) If every part of the cannonball&#039;s flight is explicable, then the flight is explicable.
3) So, the cannonball&#039;s flight is explicable.

I take it the cannonball is an interesting example because it&#039;s meant to be a challenge to (2), which is an instance of a more general principle (the Hume-Edwards principle).

But to the extent I can see any intuitive force here, it&#039;s to reject (3). And, if I try to put myself in the frame of mind to reject (3), what I find is that (2) still seems plausible, but I start to doubt (1). I start to think, that is, that an &#039;ungrounded&#039; explanation, such as the explanation of the cannonball&#039;s later trajectory in terms of its earlier trajectory, is no explanation at all.

That would be independently interesting for debates about regresses. But now I&#039;m interested if there&#039;s any positive reason to think (2) is the culprit in this argument rather than (1)? (Assuming, of course, that there is a culprit. I think on reflection the argument is sound, and the force of the arguments for (1) and (2) is stronger than any intuitive implausibility of (3).)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jlamont and Alexander (if I may),</p>
<p>I wonder if we&#8217;re mislocating the clash of intuitions here. I think the cannonball&#8217;s flight is explicable because every part of it is explicable. More precisely, I think the following argument is sound.</p>
<p>1) Every part of the cannonball&#8217;s flight is explicable.<br />
2) If every part of the cannonball&#8217;s flight is explicable, then the flight is explicable.<br />
3) So, the cannonball&#8217;s flight is explicable.</p>
<p>I take it the cannonball is an interesting example because it&#8217;s meant to be a challenge to (2), which is an instance of a more general principle (the Hume-Edwards principle).</p>
<p>But to the extent I can see any intuitive force here, it&#8217;s to reject (3). And, if I try to put myself in the frame of mind to reject (3), what I find is that (2) still seems plausible, but I start to doubt (1). I start to think, that is, that an &#8216;ungrounded&#8217; explanation, such as the explanation of the cannonball&#8217;s later trajectory in terms of its earlier trajectory, is no explanation at all.</p>
<p>That would be independently interesting for debates about regresses. But now I&#8217;m interested if there&#8217;s any positive reason to think (2) is the culprit in this argument rather than (1)? (Assuming, of course, that there is a culprit. I think on reflection the argument is sound, and the force of the arguments for (1) and (2) is stronger than any intuitive implausibility of (3).)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weatherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Weatherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrie,

Even if you don&#039;t have the intuition that E3+E4 fails to be an explanation for (5), do you think there&#039;s a theory of explanation that says it is an explanation?

I don&#039;t think E3+E4 unifies, in any interesting way, the relevant facts, so I don&#039;t think it counts as an explanation on a unification approach.

And I think (5) is the wrong kind of thing to be caused, it doesn&#039;t report the occurrence of an event after all, so it can&#039;t have an explanation on a causal account.

And, unsurprisingly, it fails to be an explanation on a prominent hybrid account like Strevens&#039;.

So even if you think intuitively E3+E4 is an explanation for (5), do you think there&#039;s a theory of explanation on which this is true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie,</p>
<p>Even if you don&#8217;t have the intuition that E3+E4 fails to be an explanation for (5), do you think there&#8217;s a theory of explanation that says it is an explanation?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think E3+E4 unifies, in any interesting way, the relevant facts, so I don&#8217;t think it counts as an explanation on a unification approach.</p>
<p>And I think (5) is the wrong kind of thing to be caused, it doesn&#8217;t report the occurrence of an event after all, so it can&#8217;t have an explanation on a causal account.</p>
<p>And, unsurprisingly, it fails to be an explanation on a prominent hybrid account like Strevens&#8217;.</p>
<p>So even if you think intuitively E3+E4 is an explanation for (5), do you think there&#8217;s a theory of explanation on which this is true?</p>
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		<title>By: arpruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Weatherson:  

First of all, it wouldn&#039;t do justice to our intuitions about the PSR if the flight of cannonball counted as explicable.  For then bricks popping into existence ex nihilo and all that would be explicable, as long as they did so on time intervals open at the lower end.

Suppose I first hear of the flight of the cannonball, but don&#039;t hear of the cannon being fired.  I then hear of the cannot being fired.  It seems that only when I&#039;ve heard of the firing of the cannon that &quot;it makes sense&quot;, that it becomes explicable.  (It doesn&#039;t seem to me that this is like the case of a coincidence where when there is no further explanation of the conjunction, we shrug our shoulders and say: &quot;I guess it was just a coincidence&quot;, but when we find a further explanation, we say: &quot;Ah, so it&#039;s not just a coincidence.&quot;  Chains of causes aren&#039;t the same sort of thing as coincidences.)

I suppose you&#039;d have the same intuition about circularity?  If I learn how to make the time machine from my future self, and then go and make it and tell my past self how to do that, do you have the intuition that this is all explicable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Weatherson:  </p>
<p>First of all, it wouldn&#8217;t do justice to our intuitions about the <span class="caps">PSR</span> if the flight of cannonball counted as explicable.  For then bricks popping into existence ex nihilo and all that would be explicable, as long as they did so on time intervals open at the lower end.</p>
<p>Suppose I first hear of the flight of the cannonball, but don&#8217;t hear of the cannon being fired.  I then hear of the cannot being fired.  It seems that only when I&#8217;ve heard of the firing of the cannon that &#8220;it makes sense&#8221;, that it becomes explicable.  (It doesn&#8217;t seem to me that this is like the case of a coincidence where when there is no further explanation of the conjunction, we shrug our shoulders and say: &#8220;I guess it was just a coincidence&#8221;, but when we find a further explanation, we say: &#8220;Ah, so it&#8217;s not just a coincidence.&#8221;  Chains of causes aren&#8217;t the same sort of thing as coincidences.)</p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;d have the same intuition about circularity?  If I learn how to make the time machine from my future self, and then go and make it and tell my past self how to do that, do you have the intuition that this is all explicable?</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t at all get the intuition that E3+E4 isn&#039;t an explanation for (5).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t at all get the intuition that E3+E4 isn&#8217;t an explanation for (5).</p>
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		<title>By: jlamont</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlamont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m inclined to agree with the criticism of the principle of sufficient reason but the cannonball? Isn&#039;t there a surfeit of explanation on Brian&#039;s view? If an actual cannonball is shot out in the circumstances described, Brian holds that the flight of the cannonball explains itself (since every state in the flight is explained by a previous state), and there is hence no need for further explanation of the cannonball&#039;s flight. But then the explanation of the cannonball&#039;s flight as due to being shot out of the cannon is surplus to requirements.
   The idea that one state in the flight of a cannonball can be causally explained by a previous state might of course be called into question (you could say that only things, not states of things, can be causes) - which would explain an irresolvable clash of intuitions here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with the criticism of the principle of sufficient reason but the cannonball? Isn&#8217;t there a surfeit of explanation on Brian&#8217;s view? If an actual cannonball is shot out in the circumstances described, Brian holds that the flight of the cannonball explains itself (since every state in the flight is explained by a previous state), and there is hence no need for further explanation of the cannonball&#8217;s flight. But then the explanation of the cannonball&#8217;s flight as due to being shot out of the cannon is surplus to requirements.<br />
   The idea that one state in the flight of a cannonball can be causally explained by a previous state might of course be called into question (you could say that only things, not states of things, can be causes) &#8211; which would explain an irresolvable clash of intuitions here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weatherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Weatherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really see why the flight of the cannonball would be inexplicable. Every part of it is explicable! This is really just an intuition clash, I guess, but once I&#039;ve realised that every part of the cannonball&#039;s flight is explicable, the flight seems explicable to me.

It&#039;s true that there isn&#039;t, as far as I can tell, *an* explanation for the flight. But I think that&#039;s a very different question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really see why the flight of the cannonball would be inexplicable. Every part of it is explicable! This is really just an intuition clash, I guess, but once I&#8217;ve realised that every part of the cannonball&#8217;s flight is explicable, the flight seems explicable to me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that there isn&#8217;t, as far as I can tell, <strong>an</strong> explanation for the flight. But I think that&#8217;s a very different question.</p>
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		<title>By: arpruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ungrounded infinite regresses are not only unexplained, but inexplicable.  Suppose that we look at the infinite regress of states strictly after noon of a cannonball shot out exactly at noon.  That regress is explicable only in light of the shooting of the cannonball.  If time began strictly after noon (e.g., if time was an open interval (noon, infinity)), the regress would neither be explained nor explicable.  But this regress is just like the infinite regress of causes of the universe (the difference between (-infinity,infinity) and (noon,infinity) does not appear significant to me in light of the order isomorphism between the two intervals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ungrounded infinite regresses are not only unexplained, but inexplicable.  Suppose that we look at the infinite regress of states strictly after noon of a cannonball shot out exactly at noon.  That regress is explicable only in light of the shooting of the cannonball.  If time began strictly after noon (e.g., if time was an open interval (noon, infinity)), the regress would neither be explained nor explicable.  But this regress is just like the infinite regress of causes of the universe (the difference between (-infinity,infinity) and (noon,infinity) does not appear significant to me in light of the order isomorphism between the two intervals).</p>
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